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i'm worthy of your sympathy in every way

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destroy her diana i wish we have more

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i love you they're everything you say

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that's from the movie wonder woman and i

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trisha barker has an amazing near-death

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experience to talk about

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but she has so much more to talk about

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this is one of those

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non-linear level three conversations

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that i so so enjoy and i saw

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quickly after that moment and this life

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review

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how the things that mattered the most is

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when i was peaceful and happy in nature

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when i was kind to others and the thing

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that i needed to

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change were exactly those moments the

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people that i worked with who i judged

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who actually went home and prayed for me

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prayers and i thought wow their hearts

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lovely they're just beautiful people and

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it doesn't matter who they are like look

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into the hearts of people

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and create a kind environment wherever

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you go like that may be the most

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important thing we do wherever our work

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if we're kind to people around us then

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life is going to work

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better and i did not want to leave

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that's when i was like

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oh that broken body on that operating

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table why don't we forget about that and

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feel good this voice said look down

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showed me a river

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and all these souls were covered with

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either light or darkness

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and i knew this to be fear

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the darkness was fear the light was just

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a consciousness that was connected to

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god so we either walk around in fear

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or we walk around connected to god it

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seemed very simple as if i could tell

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had darkness around them hey just

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connect to god it's that simple

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yeah so i didn't really want to go here

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but i guess i'll go here

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you know we're we live in a porn

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saturated environment and little kids

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violence as their first exposure

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violence against women is their first

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does porn cause rape no but does a

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saturation of it

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people see people

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as objects yes and so it's dehumanizing

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do asian men get most of their

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pornography from the united states yes

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yes they do um are we are we not having

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enough conversations about what

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pornography is doing to the brain you

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want to talk about it who want to say i

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want away from it to a degree i want a

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open tantric experience with a woman

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i don't want to end up using virtual

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reality for the rest of my life and

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having sex with a screen welcome to

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skeptico where we explore controversial

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science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we welcome trisha barker to

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skeptico tricia is the author of

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angels in the o.r what dying taught me

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about healing survival and

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and the book tells a really rather

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remarkable story a horrific story

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about trish's near-death experience

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her teaching mission about spiritual

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appreciate about trisha

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that experience but about

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the trauma that sometimes comes with

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a spiritually transformative experience

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healed but that nothing

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bad will ever happen again and

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trisha's story is a larger story about

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a perspective that is

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enlightening uplifting and empowering

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that so hey it's fantastic to have her

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speaker on these topics she's created

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this year of course but a lot of these

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folks you will recognize from skeptico

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most of those two of those folks so

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mover and shaker in the nde world so

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near-death experiencers who have their

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experiences when they're 15 or 22

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so they are going to encounter struggle

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their way in this world so

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life maybe incorporate it a little bit

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careers and that kind of thing huh well

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but first of all i have to say i am glad

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we're having this conversation because i

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really thought that maybe i had

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scared you off with the skeptico because

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this is a show

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about inquiry to perpetuate doubt

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very spiritual thing

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who have this degree of certainty

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contradictions out there that are

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doubting you know and and and the only

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the the romticol and uh but super sweet

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inquiry to perpetuate doubt she

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cult of course you have no doubt

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excited to talk about this because i

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came back i think to talk to agnostics

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culture and it's taken 25

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friends just a tiny bit

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perspective and so i love it that i was

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i see consciousness as greater outside

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more expansive but this is my experience

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hard-won battle that i've had to

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more expansive and there are these

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extended consciousness realms that

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problems that come with that so in order

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because it has so many interesting

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lot of people feel like little children

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when they hear these stories they feel

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this joy or this excitement

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because it's a topic that gives us hope

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or gives us faith

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and i've seen so many people's faces

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light up when i randomly

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mention the story and end up telling it

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but i get a lot of healing from

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interviewing

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near-death experiences on my channel too

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and i didn't think i would

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but still just being seeped in that

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afterlife experience is wonderful but

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yeah so i was an agnostic college

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student

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had a major wreck and broke my back in

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t 10 11 and 12 these vertebrae were

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completely shattered bone fragments were

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pressing into my spine i found

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out when i got to the hospital i lost

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feeling in my left leg which was

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terrifying as a runner

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and an athletic person you know the

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thought of being

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in a wheelchair possibly it was

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horrifying i was all about the physical

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my grades you know was i going to be

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able to graduate

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what happened to my car my body i could

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care

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less about any afterlife experience i

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just didn't want to die i wanted to

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survive

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and walk that was my only concern going

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into surgery

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so when i signed that form that piece of

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paper that said 17

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chance of death i thought whatever i'm

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22

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i'm strong i'm a runner i'm not dying so

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you can imagine

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how shocked i was when at some point

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during the surgery they had to

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in the 90s they opened up the back

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and they took bone from the hip so

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they were placing the rods above where

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where the injury was and below so most

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of my back is fused

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i can't do some yoga poses you know like

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there's a a long rod

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running through my back so i lift it up

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and i saw how bloody this surgery was

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so there was just so much blood seeping

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out and that was my first thought

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when my out-of-body experience occurred

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when my spirit form left and i saw this

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body and never

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questioned was this a dream i was

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certain that i was seeing

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the surgeons certain that this is what

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was happening but what kind of blew my

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mind

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were the angelic presences behind the

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surgeons and they were about

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nine feet tall people always ask me what

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they look like

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androgynous highly intelligent i just

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called them

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light beings not really angels because i

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didn't know what to say

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about them other than they were highly

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intelligent and they had this healing

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power

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they put me completely at ease and

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they they were sending light into my

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spirit form which i believe was to help

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me adjust to this realm

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to make sense of okay now i'm my spirit

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self not

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just this physical body at one point

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they said

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watch this rather playfully which you

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mentioned and

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they sent this light through the back of

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the surgeons through their hands and it

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lit up my entire physical body

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and i knew i just knew that

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the surgeons would be able to pick out

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the bone fragments i'd walk i'd run

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i'd live a a longer life i wasn't going

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to die

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right there but the monitor flatlined

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and so i knew that sound

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and i knew that that meant oh the body's

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dead and i thought

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oh they're going to revive me this is

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going to be gross how in the world are

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they going to do it

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now that my back is open i'm out of here

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and so

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i left to that room and i had no idea

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that my near-death experience would be

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documented as much as it would and that

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this next part

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would be so important but i saw my

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step-dad get a candy bar

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out of the vending machine so this is

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somewhere in the hallway of the hospital

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and what's

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important about that for anyone who's

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lost kids

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or anyone who's lost a teenager there is

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a psychic bond

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i believe between parents and kids so at

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that moment

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i later verified with my mom and dad

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that when he walked back in with that

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candy bar

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both of my parents were on the ground

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praying they were certain that i had

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died

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that it was over and they just felt this

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need to get on

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their knees and pray and my stepdad

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walked back in with that candy bar and

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was like

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hey everyone you want some candy and

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just was

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you know making a joke and and that's

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and that's the

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significant as well because i i love

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your

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one thing you're you allude to and we

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got to bring it up because people are

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always looking for

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kind of independent verification things

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that we can

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really put our finger on and with that

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doubt thing

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kind of reduce that doubt so tell why

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the candy bar

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is so significant here yeah so he was a

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health nut

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and i never thought that he ate things

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like that and

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so that's all i thought when i saw him

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but later to have someone verify it that

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became veritable perception

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which in the nde community everyone

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loves you know when a

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near-death experiencer like kimberly

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clark sharp sees a red shoe

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in another room or another near-death

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experiencer might verify something

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that's happening in a different location

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everyone's just thrilled because that

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proves that consciousness

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survives the body even for a little

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while you know just

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if that moment is verified so i did

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verify that he got that snickers bar

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and that became an important part for

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researchers

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it wasn't that important to me i just

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thought okay whatever

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you know he's getting a candy bar and

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moved on

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because flying is a lot more exciting

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than watching

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someone get a candy bar so as soon as my

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spirit left

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that hospital i was flying above the

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hospital

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looking at austin texas where the

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accident happened and

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where i was going to school at a

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wonderful college just downtown

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ut's a fun campus and i remember

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thinking

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hey i just love everyone like that was

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my first thought when you leave the body

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behind

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i just wanted everyone i'd ever known on

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friendship acquaintance level or just

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briefly

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to know that i cared about them and

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wanted them to have a good life and i

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think that's essentially who we are

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you know trisha one of the things that i

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i love that i

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heard in your story that i thought is

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it just resonated with me as being

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particularly meaningful maybe because

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it's something i need to work on more

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but you said that that heart opening

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that you felt

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you immediately kind of in almost a life

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review thing

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saw how that was could be improved in

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your life

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and that the people you know the women

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that you worked with

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at the restaurant who you always said oh

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you know they're off doing their own

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thing i'm a college student i can't

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really connect with them

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you saw how you were connected with them

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and how this

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web of of love and feeling that we all

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connection that we have

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extends beyond sometimes what we imagine

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and that they not only cared about you

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but they were praying for you

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but also there was just this you felt a

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certain sadness i think that you hadn't

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connected more with their life and i

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just

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thought that was such a beautiful part

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of the story

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thanks yeah it's it is an important

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reminder we

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judgment separates us from people and

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certainly as a young person

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i was cliquish and had all kind of

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judgmental ideas about who i would be

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friends with or who i would associate

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with

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they weren't good enough for me you're

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interesting enough for me or smart

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enough

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or in college or you know whatever i

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just had judgments about who could enter

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my life and i saw

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quickly after that moment and this life

519
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review

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how the things that mattered the most is

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when i was peaceful and happy in nature

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when i was kind to others and the thing

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that i needed to

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change were exactly those moments the

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people that i worked with who i judged

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who actually went home and prayed for me

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they were catholic

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and they just included me in their

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prayers and i thought

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wow their hearts are really lovely

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they're just beautiful people

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and it doesn't matter who they are like

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look into the hearts of people

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and create a kind environment wherever

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you go like that may be the most

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important thing we do

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wherever our work wherever our feet hit

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the ground if we're kind to people

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around us

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then life is going to work better and

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that was

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not about

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ego it's and many near-death

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experiencers experience this they

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they think they're going to come back

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and write a great book or make a great

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monument or do something that's

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fantastic and and that intelligence from

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the other side is like i know just why

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don't you love other people why do you

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and it's uh yeah it's kind of simple but

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the messages were definitely simple and

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they did slow down

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one of the so as i was transitioning

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past that life review i started seeing

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almost like words

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different lessons coming toward me one

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is love is all that matters and all that

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we take with us into this realm so

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anything i did from a place of love or

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passion or excitement or joy

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or kindness i was taking that it's like

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my soul

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got to take them into that realm

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anything i did that was ego centered or

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you know my shadow self or whatever you

567
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want to call it

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just left behind it was left on the

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ground wasn't important

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and as i transitioned into that place

571
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,200
i also heard remind them to go to nature

572
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,200
and that's something that i keep

573
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,720
telling people especially in this

574
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,400
technological age

575
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,480
we are forgetting what it's like to have

576
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:55,440
respectful

577
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:58,559
decent human communities and we're we're

578
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,600
losing this ability to

579
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,080
connect both to the energy of nature and

580
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,400
the energy of others and so that was

581
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:09,280
something that's that really hit me let

582
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,480
me interject something because

583
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,440
i kind of i love what you're saying i

584
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,440
spin it a little bit differently for

585
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,120
myself

586
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,240
because i almost hear that

587
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,600
as kind of another negative

588
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,440
thing you're doing wrong thing to add

589
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,200
your to-do list

590
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,960
i really love what um eckhart tolle

591
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,360
uh says sometimes when he says look

592
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:35,360
we're all trying to connect with this

593
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:38,720
ultimate stillness that's the core

594
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:41,919
essence of who we are as a spirit

595
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,799
and we can naturally easily connect with

596
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,080
that in nature

597
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,559
because nature is all about stillness

598
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:49,760
and i just

599
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,480
to me i i i that just really resonated

600
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,000
and has helped me

601
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,120
whenever i'm in nature to just find that

602
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,720
stillness and that connection and it's

603
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,320
it's instant i don't have to

604
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,480
think about it or do it or you know make

605
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,919
sure i

606
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,080
you get what i mean oh yeah now that's

607
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,840
beautiful and i'm glad you have that

608
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,480
connection

609
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,200
i worry about the youth because i work

610
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,039
with a lot of kids who are

611
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:15,039
addicted and well we won't even say

612
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,240
addicted they have

613
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,400
habitual patterns where they don't even

614
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,799
go outside to sit under a tree or take a

615
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,159
walk in nature that they're playing

616
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,679
video games to all

617
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,520
hours of the night and suffering from

618
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,440
deep anxiety and depression

619
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:30,080
and so i'm reminding them and i take

620
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,960
them outside

621
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,600
to get set under a tree yeah i mean i'm

622
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:34,640
just shaking my head i mean

623
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,000
i got i got four kids and you know age

624
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,679
range in age from 25 to 17

625
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:44,080
and my 17 year old is in there doing her

626
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,200
online senior

627
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,559
high school and i love it when she goes

628
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,600
outside and gets

629
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,000
gets in nature but this comes down to

630
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,360
the other stuff that we're going to talk

631
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,559
about

632
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:57,280
as a parent or as just someone who's

633
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,080
interacting with

634
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,600
another soul my

635
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,880
learning has been to tread very

636
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,240
lightly on somebody else's path you know

637
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,880
and i that isn't that doesn't come easy

638
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,480
for me because my thing is like put down

639
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,760
your damn phone and

640
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,919
get the hell out there the beach is

641
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,159
right here you can see it go down there

642
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,840
you're going to get all this great stuff

643
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,760
from the beach and from that now go do

644
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:22,640
it you know

645
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,320
well that kind of destroys

646
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,559
the larger message right there so

647
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,760
there's a lot to do

648
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,880
yeah so yeah i appreciate what you're

649
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,159
saying so

650
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,919
that's where near-death experiences

651
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,360
probably get into trouble as we get

652
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,200
these messages then our own intellect

653
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,880
starts interpreting them in different

654
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,880
ways so all that was said is remind them

655
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,760
to go to nature

656
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,280
so i just throw it out there sometimes

657
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:47,360
like hey if you're stressed out go to

658
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,000
nature

659
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,720
you know that's the closest message i

660
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,200
can

661
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,480
connect and to another part in my

662
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,000
near-death experience and this is a

663
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,760
little bit different from some people's

664
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,039
experience

665
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,679
i felt like when i transitioned from

666
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:02,640
that

667
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:10,400
look like heaven

668
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,760
i which was just filled with green grass

669
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,240
and this flowing hill i felt like it was

670
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,159
an actual holding place i didn't feel

671
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,919
like this was

672
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,760
the end haul and be all i felt like this

673
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,039
was a place to rest

674
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,039
and a place to connect with an ancestor

675
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:27,039
so the only person who was dead was my

676
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,840
grandfather

677
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,640
and that's another part of near-death

678
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:32,320
experiences that researchers love to

679
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,360
talk about

680
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,360
is you don't connect with anyone here so

681
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,039
it's not like a dream you connect with

682
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,559
people who have actually died and

683
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,080
they're there to welcome you so

684
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,320
my grandfather was the only one who died

685
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,679
he looked very young

686
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,240
he had this beautiful glowing face and

687
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,559
glowing eyes and i hardly recognized him

688
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,679
at first

689
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,640
and he spent some time with me there in

690
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,760
that realm

691
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,919
and then asked me if i wanted to go on

692
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,120
which i knew

693
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,440
to be the light of god and this ultimate

694
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:01,279
consciousness call it creator call it

695
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,919
god

696
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:04,720
but it was something that drew me and it

697
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,039
was

698
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,080
so magnetic i could not stop myself from

699
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,400
wanting to go there if my soul just like

700
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,520
leapt into the sky and went towards this

701
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,480
light of god

702
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,400
i felt people's prayers trying to hold

703
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,520
me back and i

704
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,520
i knew exactly what their words were

705
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,640
what their prayers were

706
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,039
prayers felt like a wind or an energy

707
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,279
and i broke through that and i remember

708
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,840
thinking oh whatever maybe i'm not going

709
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,480
to come back

710
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,840
and this will be great and i'll just see

711
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,080
you soon enough and in that

712
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,679
expanse of no time it feels

713
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,600
it doesn't feel mean to say that to

714
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,360
family members it feels like

715
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,480
oh i'll just see you as soon here time

716
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,320
feels so long but over there

717
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,600
not so much and so as i was going toward

718
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,840
that light of god

719
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,080
every part of my life that was difficult

720
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,320
so i didn't have the easiest childhood

721
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,520
and sometimes i felt as if there wasn't

722
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:00,000
much good about me you know didn't hear

723
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,120
a lot of good things

724
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,960
and i was a smart kid and a good kid and

725
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,880
did well in school and was obedient but

726
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:05,279
i

727
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,600
safe

728
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,080
there's nothing to worry about i have

729
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,200
access to this

730
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,640
completely

731
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,559
okay and that was the first time in my

732
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,320
life that i'd honestly felt that good

733
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,880
except for a few moments maybe in nature

734
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,880
where i was playing and enjoying life

735
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,559
but that was

736
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,799
almost like an atomic bomb of love any

737
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,159
little romantic

738
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,240
experience i'd had or anything did not

739
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:41,360
compare to it

740
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:44,559
it was just massive and it

741
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,600
filled up my spirit body and

742
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,799
you know sometimes when near-death

743
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,640
experiences talk about this part we

744
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,000
almost sound arrogant

745
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,799
i started to seem larger than i was as

746
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,360
if this

747
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,159
light just emanated from me i felt so

748
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:00,480
powerful and so

749
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,919
right you know just one with god and

750
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,600
i did not want to leave that's when i

751
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,679
was like oh that broken body on that

752
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:09,440
operating table why don't we forget

753
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,000
about that

754
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,760
and why don't i stay here where i can

755
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,200
feel good and

756
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:15,360
that's when i felt as if there was a

757
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,240
barrier or

758
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,880
stop and i hit some kind of energetic

759
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,039
wall and this booming voice

760
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,880
not really masculine or feminine but i

761
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,080
just heard it

762
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:26,400
deep within my soul this voice said look

763
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,200
down

764
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,840
showed me a river and all these souls

765
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:31,360
were covered with either light

766
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,279
or darkness and i knew this to be

767
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,320
fear the darkness was fear the light was

768
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,240
just a consciousness that was connected

769
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,880
to god so we either walk around in fear

770
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,640
or we walk around connected to god it

771
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,400
seemed very simple as if i could tell

772
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,520
all the people who

773
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,440
had darkness around them hey just

774
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,640
connect to god it's that simple

775
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,760
and as that vision

776
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,400
unfolded and a lot of a lot of the

777
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:00,080
visions in the afterlife were more like

778
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,279
metaphors

779
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,400
so i knew that i was going to teach

780
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,480
not really as a spiritual teacher but in

781
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,480
actual public schools and colleges and

782
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,240
that was going to be my profession

783
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,480
and i was going to work with these kids

784
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,520
and teens and

785
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,600
remind them just how to shine and how to

786
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:17,200
feel good about themselves and how to

787
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,440
have

788
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,760
access to love not from a religious

789
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:22,240
perspective but more from a

790
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,840
holistic i'm i'm a good person i can go

791
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,960
out into this world and make a

792
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,799
difference kind of perspective just

793
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,679
empower

794
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,919
these students and although i was

795
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,080
excited about that part i also knew

796
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,080
how little teachers got paid and i'd

797
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,840
grown up poor and i wanted nothing to do

798
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,200
with it so i actually

799
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,279
argued with god for a moment and said no

800
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,799
way i'm not doing that

801
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,600
and then i felt as if my soul was hurled

802
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,320
out of heaven

803
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,480
back into my body like like i was a

804
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,720
baseball or something being thrown

805
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,279
back into my body it was not nice and

806
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,880
and this dark wind

807
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,360
encompassed me and then i felt shoved

808
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,200
back into my body and then i remember

809
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,320
the moments in the uh of waking up and

810
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,520
speaking my name oh that's great we're

811
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,640
going to continue on with the story

812
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,240
you're throwing a lot of

813
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,679
for some to say not religious you're

814
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:11,120
throwing a lot of religious terms in

815
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,520
there

816
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,799
which i think is is like okay

817
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,200
maybe later we'll have some

818
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,640
conversations about that

819
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,960
you know you know david ditchfield you

820
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:22,480
he was at your summit

821
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:25,520
he was on this show as well great guy

822
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,360
love his story you know very

823
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,159
christian themed nde but when you really

824
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,919
press him he's like well i don't know if

825
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,120
that's really the

826
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,080
end game also interviewed a while back i

827
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,520
always reference this guy because he

828
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,640
really

829
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,240
fits so many of the things i love to

830
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,960
talk about ian mccormick

831
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,080
you know hey he'll tell you man if you

832
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,240
didn't see jesus in your nde you didn't

833
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,679
have an nde

834
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,240
you had satan coming to see you he goes

835
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,080
around to churches around the world

836
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,159
and that's his freaking message and he

837
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,480
had an nde there's no doubt yet andy

838
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,720
eaves and a frickin morgan

839
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,960
i forget you know those remote islands

840
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,520
off the coast of the indian ocean

841
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,440
so we'll get into that later that you

842
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,159
know like you said

843
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,919
the ego comes in even for the indy ear

844
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,240
it doesn't erase it doesn't it seems to

845
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,840
well here i am saying like i know you

846
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,880
know i don't know anything

847
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:23,360
i'm just saying looking at looking

848
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,320
across

849
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,799
you know all these ndes and studying

850
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,600
them like i had

851
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,840
along with studying other spiritually

852
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:31,600
transformative experiences

853
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,600
hey are these

854
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,159
higher evolved beings are they e.t you

855
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,159
know some people tell you that have had

856
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,360
ndes and have had those encounters

857
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,039
and say there's some kind of connection

858
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,399
there that we don't understand so

859
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:48,159
there's a lot of stuff

860
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,840
to explore and the answers can never be

861
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,399
reduced down to one person's experience

862
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,480
that's my takeaway

863
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,279
but i did want to before i kind of shift

864
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,760
into all that

865
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,919
allow you to finish the story because

866
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:04,880
there's

867
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:08,159
such an interesting i think and you're

868
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:08,960
so

869
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,320
open about this in such an important way

870
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,799
about the trauma that you experience

871
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,480
after the nde

872
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,159
which again surprises people because

873
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,720
it's like no wait a minute

874
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,000
trish is all set now god if you will has

875
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
you know god is kind of here you go

876
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,320
trisha it's just gonna be you go

877
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,240
girl and it's all gonna be fun and you

878
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:32,000
know all this stuff but it doesn't

879
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,279
exactly

880
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,480
happen lightweight way yeah

881
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,360
so you bring up so much in what you said

882
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,440
and i want to say that my family didn't

883
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,760
accept my experience ultimately you know

884
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,720
my mother

885
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:47,039
thought that not seeing jesus meant that

886
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,640
i did not have a real near-death

887
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,520
experience but

888
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,480
i was filled with so much consciousness

889
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,600
so much light

890
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,559
i was having psychic flashes i was

891
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,880
connecting with healing which helped me

892
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,720
learn to walk again you know that i was

893
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,640
having lucid dreams every night i

894
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,559
knew that i had awakened because of this

895
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:06,320
near-death experience and i knew that it

896
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:06,960
was

897
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,919
a much more healing way of living you

898
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,279
know to be interested in

899
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,519
yoga and meditation and lucid dreaming

900
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,720
than partying

901
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,640
like the average college student i knew

902
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,399
that my life had changed

903
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,600
for the better and i knew that that

904
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,559
experience

905
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,279
was ultimately good and i think the soul

906
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,559
would know the difference

907
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:29,039
between you know the angel of light

908
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,919
being the devil

909
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,360
versus god i know that i encountered god

910
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:36,399
and so to me the people who feel that

911
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,799
way

912
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:39,039
they seem to be seeped in fear which i i

913
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,399
saw was not a good thing

914
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,760
you know they're fearful of any

915
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,000
experience that does not mirror their

916
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,840
own or does not align with their belief

917
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:48,000
system instead of just listening openly

918
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,640
to

919
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,279
a different view can i interject a point

920
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,559
there though because

921
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,440
that's tricky and slippery because you

922
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,440
know the the one thing we're leaning on

923
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399
here if we can

924
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,960
call it scientific this whole discussion

925
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,320
of near-death experience

926
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:05,279
and i really like that we can call it

927
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,320
scientific

928
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:08,640
because in the larger context of our

929
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:09,360
culture

930
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,000
that you know for the longest time and

931
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,760
you've been doing this for a while know

932
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,240
that

933
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:19,039
you know they've just denied near-death

934
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,679
experience

935
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:22,080
at all and it's really the science that

936
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,519
has won the day

937
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:26,159
so the pin bound mammals the jeff longs

938
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,720
the

939
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,919
uh peter

940
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,519
peter fennick and all these people have

941
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,200
said well wait a minute

942
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,919
i'm just doing this straight up as a you

943
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,200
know medical professional

944
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,240
and i'm telling you i i see no other way

945
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,080
to interpret this data

946
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:45,600
and that does give us some degree

947
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:49,519
of of terra firma to kind of stand

948
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:52,720
on here but with that comes

949
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:56,080
a complexity that we don't really know

950
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,279
how to wrestle with

951
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,399
and by that i mean ian mccormick was

952
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,000
dead

953
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,320
we can't remove that from the equation

954
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,880
he was like really dead i mean he was

955
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,919
he was in the morgue for hours so he was

956
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,840
in that extended realm

957
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,399
so now what he's bringing back we can

958
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,240
make judgments and say well it's fear

959
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,760
laden and that's why he

960
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,720
you know sees jesus and only jesus or he

961
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:22,640
reinterpreted it when he got

962
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,080
back and we can say a lot of stuff

963
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,640
but now we're venturing a little bit

964
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,080
away from

965
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,480
the science if you will that we relied

966
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,480
on because the science got us to the

967
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,760
point of saying

968
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,840
wait a minute you people that say we are

969
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,600
biological robots in a meaningless

970
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,519
universe and our life is meaningless

971
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,679
just get on with it don't think about

972
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,799
larger things

973
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:47,360
we're shouting them down by saying these

974
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:48,159
people

975
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,840
are dead and have a conscious

976
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,880
you get what i'm saying so we can't we i

977
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:56,159
think we we have to be careful about

978
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,720
going too

979
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,960
far with the assumptions we're making

980
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,279
about how they're experiencing that

981
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,440
extended realm and what that means and

982
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,519
you know it's all fear laden or that's

983
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,279
how it works or you know any of the rest

984
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,320
of that stuff

985
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:11,280
yeah well i would say that i've

986
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,399
continued to

987
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:15,040
evolve and grow and change and heal

988
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:16,399
since 1994

989
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,639
after my experience and so one of those

990
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,399
key lessons that you brought up earlier

991
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:23,760
was not to judge

992
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,679
others and so yeah some some of that

993
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:30,159
may be judgment that we're placing on

994
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,280
ian but

995
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,200
but at the same time maybe he'll grow

996
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,639
and change in ten years and

997
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:37,440
have a different uh way of looking at

998
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,000
things

999
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,240
you don't know there might be a

1000
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:41,440
spiritual way of

1001
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,040
evolving past past some limits here

1002
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,639
there's so many questions that you can

1003
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,560
start bringing up so someone can come

1004
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,760
back to a body

1005
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:52,159
and have a biological condition of

1006
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,960
depression

1007
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,960
and i did you know i came back and still

1008
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,200
struggled with that you can come back to

1009
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,440
this body and still have childhood

1010
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,520
traumas and memories that you have to

1011
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,720
release and

1012
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,400
and you might come back to a culture

1013
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,079
that you don't agree with

1014
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,599
everything that's happening around you

1015
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:10,000
and so you become um somewhat of a rebel

1016
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,640
so there's

1017
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,720
there's a lot of individual journeys and

1018
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,920
one of the reasons i think it's

1019
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,359
important for many near-death

1020
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
experiencers to talk

1021
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,960
is people are going to gravitate to me

1022
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,119
and my story because they resonate

1023
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,599
because of their backgrounds to me and

1024
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,119
someone might resonate

1025
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,960
to ian and find greater peace and

1026
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,440
and love and connection to god because

1027
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,880
of his story so we should all be talking

1028
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:36,960
yeah i mean i guess i'm gonna have to

1029
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:40,480
persist on this a little bit further

1030
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:44,000
they're they're we do want to judge you

1031
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,480
know

1032
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,960
i mean it it's i i had this topic come

1033
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,040
up and i really

1034
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,119
like one comment that was made it was

1035
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,440
either a youtuber in the skeptical forum

1036
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,640
and uh the said the person said

1037
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,280
this person doesn't understand the

1038
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,040
difference between

1039
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:04,480
judging that is discernment and being

1040
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,119
judgmental having a predisposed you know

1041
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,160
bias on people i think discernment is

1042
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:13,680
like a really good thing

1043
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,960
i think ian that the data doesn't

1044
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,800
again getting back to the data that's

1045
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,640
what i told ian i said well ian you can

1046
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,240
have your opinion but the data

1047
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,839
isn't on your side jeff long has

1048
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,560
collected

1049
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:29,520
thousands of near-death experiencers and

1050
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,520
the data

1051
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,440
overwhelmingly contradicts

1052
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,760
your experience that doesn't mean your

1053
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,280
experience is wrong that doesn't mean we

1054
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:38,960
can't hear your experience

1055
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,800
but i my discernment my judgment is

1056
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,480
you're probably making a mistake there

1057
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,160
buds you need to kind of

1058
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,640
loosen up on what you think you know as

1059
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,520
long as you're there

1060
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:50,960
i want to get to the rest of that story

1061
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:53,839
but i'll interject here with a little a

1062
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,480
clip

1063
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,440
that i think is going to further this

1064
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,880
discussion maybe in a way that you'll

1065
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:00,240
like maybe in a way you don't like i

1066
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,040
don't know

1067
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,480
oh i'll like it because i've interviewed

1068
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,920
him that's one of my more popular

1069
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,040
interviews

1070
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,160
great i interviewed him i i really

1071
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:11,280
just to say that i found

1072
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,359
his views and his certainty offensive

1073
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,720
would be a bit of an overstatement

1074
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,200
but not too much of one let me play you

1075
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,560
the clip from my interview with him

1076
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,240
scientists tell us that the giant

1077
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,560
tsunami wave that devastated southeast

1078
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:30,240
asia in 2004

1079
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,000
wasn't as big as we usually imagine

1080
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:36,160
it's not that they got hit by a 20-foot

1081
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:37,280
tall wave

1082
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:51,990
impossible

1083
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,109
it's that they got crushed by a 20-foot

1084
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,040
wall of water that was miles and miles

1085
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,550
and the human suffering that it brought

1086
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:07,599
is unimaginable

1087
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,119
hundreds of thousands died millions of

1088
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:13,359
lives were destroyed

1089
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,839
and the devastation will go on for

1090
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,400
generations

1091
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,280
but maybe not you'll remember that a

1092
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,720
number of years ago

1093
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,359
there was a natural disaster in

1094
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,440
southeast asia there was a typhoon a

1095
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,720
monsoon

1096
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,839
that killed about a hundred thousand

1097
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,079
people

1098
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,200
i've asked about that event in

1099
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,960
the research i've done for your souls

1100
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,480
planning your souls gift

1101
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,960
and what i was told in the channeling

1102
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:42,000
sessions

1103
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,160
is that those 100 000 or so souls before

1104
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,599
they were born

1105
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,200
they looked at the earth and they said

1106
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,119
basically we would like

1107
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:54,079
the earth as a planet as a whole to be

1108
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,280
at a certain frequency

1109
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,520
or vibration by a certain point in

1110
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,720
linear time

1111
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,640
and if it looks as though the earth is

1112
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,320
not going to get there

1113
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,160
we agree to give our lives in a

1114
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,720
large-scale natural disaster because we

1115
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,520
know

1116
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,920
that the result of that disaster will be

1117
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,079
a worldwide outpouring of love

1118
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,040
and support and aid and compassion it

1119
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,880
will elevate the frequency of the entire

1120
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,240
planet

1121
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,599
i find rob's uh

1122
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,119
answer explanation interpretation

1123
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,160
of those world events not only very

1124
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,280
unsatisfying

1125
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:32,240
i find them offensive in a in a number

1126
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,880
of ways

1127
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,960
so that's okay maybe he's right maybe he

1128
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,480
knows the mind of god

1129
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,160
better than i do maybe he's had a

1130
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:39,680
download that

1131
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,280
i didn't have but you know first off i

1132
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:44,800
don't like people who get their figures

1133
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,320
wrong so 225 000 not 100 000 people died

1134
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,800
from that disaster so

1135
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,800
rob get get your numbers straight right

1136
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:53,920
off the bat but

1137
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,520
i don't know yeah so there's

1138
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,920
i hear a lot of discussion around this

1139
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
and i

1140
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,359
i tread lightly because people need to

1141
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,400
go through grief

1142
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,280
and we don't need to shut victims down

1143
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,640
of crimes or

1144
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,200
of the loss of massive amounts of human

1145
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:13,040
life and say don't grieve or don't be

1146
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,680
sad

1147
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,119
or don't go through the stages of

1148
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,040
grieving when you go through something

1149
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,440
because you are human and that's a real

1150
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,520
loss and i think it takes away

1151
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,400
the humanity of an experience to you

1152
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,480
know victim blame or to say oh

1153
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,800
the souls are fine on that level are

1154
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,760
they fine

1155
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:32,319
possibly because that that is the way it

1156
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,800
felt

1157
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:35,520
on the other side when i was told souls

1158
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,240
are either

1159
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,640
covered with fear or light it looked

1160
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,240
really simple i didn't think of

1161
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,280
fear as someone being a murderer or

1162
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,520
rapist or anti-semitic or you know like

1163
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,359
i didn't look at that darkness as

1164
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,119
some of the really horrible things that

1165
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,040
it might be i just looked at it as

1166
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,280
ah they're not connected to god in the

1167
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,400
story and

1168
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,319
it would be really simple to connect

1169
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,640
them to god it's not simple

1170
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:01,040
we're attacked on so many levels uh just

1171
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,240
being out in the public

1172
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,400
you know energetically realistically

1173
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,359
it's really

1174
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,160
it's fascinating that that on the other

1175
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:10,560
side it looks very simple so maybe he's

1176
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,560
tapping into souls do take on plans or

1177
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,000
they do take on

1178
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,720
a journey that on the other side seems a

1179
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:19,280
lot

1180
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,750
yeah maybe he's wrong too yeah maybe he

1181
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,880
got the message

1182
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,680
maybe you know everyone has done people

1183
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,040
in the extended realm over and over

1184
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:32,960
again we hear about a download

1185
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,480
and then we hear about as you alluded to

1186
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:39,760
before you know how that download

1187
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,720
plays out in terms of somebody creating

1188
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,599
a cult or

1189
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:46,960
you know becoming a power hungry guru i

1190
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,160
interviewed a pretty well-known

1191
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:51,200
anthropologist

1192
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,800
from canada who wrote a book on um

1193
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,720
self-aggrandizement and these shaman

1194
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,000
in these native cultures who you know

1195
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:04,560
were genuine shaman were in the extended

1196
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,200
realm

1197
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,880
and their message when they came back

1198
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,440
was hey pal

1199
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,920
let me sleep with your wife that's what

1200
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,920
they told me that if i sleep with your

1201
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,800
wife then

1202
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,359
i can pass along to you some of the

1203
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,560
stuff that i'm

1204
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,839
learning over there you know i mean

1205
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:24,079
we see this over and over again in in

1206
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,200
cults and

1207
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,280
it's not to dismiss that these people

1208
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,200
have not connected with

1209
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,839
this extended realm they seem to be

1210
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,680
maybe connecting with a different part

1211
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:35,920
of that extended realm

1212
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,200
that has a different agenda but they are

1213
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,480
nonetheless

1214
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:43,280
connecting with this larger extended

1215
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:43,680
realm

1216
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,040
that our current scientific minded

1217
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,599
culture has completely excluded from our

1218
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,560
examination

1219
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,359
so i'm kind of getting into more and

1220
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,960
more things there that that we won't

1221
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,560
have a chance to button down

1222
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,240
but i don't think rob is right i think

1223
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
rob needs to check himself

1224
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,599
i i and and what really gets me about

1225
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,200
rob is his certainty

1226
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,200
his absolute certainty that i've written

1227
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,440
the book on god's plan

1228
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,079
so i know the mind of god and here it is

1229
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,520
i'll just tell it to you right here you

1230
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,079
don't have to

1231
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,760
just buy it in my book it's red i mean

1232
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,760
come on that discernment

1233
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,640
discernment discernment if i can let me

1234
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,839
put a pause on that because i want to

1235
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,520
get back to your story because i think

1236
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:22,880
it's

1237
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,599
you do

1238
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,920
and and how that came out of some of

1239
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,839
your additional experiences i don't want

1240
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,119
you to share anything that you're not

1241
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,319
comfortable with but you've shared a lot

1242
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,079
of this stuff before so

1243
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:39,359
i think it's you know part of the story

1244
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:42,560
yeah so to continue my story it took

1245
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,119
about

1246
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:45,440
i was in a body cast in texas in the

1247
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,160
summer

1248
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,720
for four months which is a massive

1249
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,680
amount of time

1250
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,760
if you can imagine 100 degree weather

1251
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,359
learning to walk again

1252
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,800
and basically i healed really quickly i

1253
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,079
meditated a lot

1254
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,839
and returned to college and i was a

1255
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,680
different person and that's one of the

1256
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:04,079
key elements of near-death experiences

1257
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,720
is i was

1258
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,800
interested in other things i started

1259
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,640
going to meditation groups with a bunch

1260
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,960
of old hippies and here was this 22 year

1261
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,520
old

1262
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,839
kid you know in all these groups doing

1263
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,040
yoga and

1264
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:17,200
just living a different life really

1265
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,319
focused on health

1266
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,359
and and wellness and

1267
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,200
then i followed the mission i got my

1268
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,560
teaching certification

1269
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,800
before i went to teach in public schools

1270
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,680
in the us

1271
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,520
i thought i'll travel a little i'll

1272
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,200
teach in in southeast

1273
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,440
asia or somewhere from you know china

1274
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,319
and i looked into

1275
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,800
different places japan ended up in south

1276
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,440
korea

1277
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,280
which was a wonderful experience you

1278
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,640
know to live overseas

1279
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,000
and to experience that culture but i did

1280
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:46,079
experience sexual assault in a foreign

1281
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,280
country and

1282
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
you don't have the same rights there

1283
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,280
that a citizen would have

1284
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,280
and so there was no prosecution there

1285
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,800
was no

1286
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:57,040
investigation and that was horrifying on

1287
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,240
so many levels

1288
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,240
a lot of people who experience sexual

1289
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,599
assault here also

1290
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,520
don't get you know justice and that's a

1291
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,200
really long complicated

1292
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,319
subject i felt like all that light

1293
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,440
and all that beauty was just shoved back

1294
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,520
into this human experience and now had a

1295
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,720
real trauma

1296
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,599
to overcome and i thought okay well i do

1297
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,200
have some knowledge from the other side

1298
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,480
how am i going to heal this

1299
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,680
and it was a long journey i the first

1300
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,960
year you're in shock

1301
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,480
you know the second year you're

1302
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,240
beginning to process things

1303
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,040
in in therapy but honestly what helped

1304
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,560
the most was being

1305
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,960
that voice that could help kids who

1306
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,480
experience sexual assault in their

1307
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,839
families or

1308
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,760
you know date rape or other experiences

1309
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,680
and get them the resources and the help

1310
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,359
and the healing that they needed and if

1311
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,720
i didn't do that healing

1312
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,560
i wasn't going to be able to show them

1313
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,760
how to do it so

1314
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,440
it's really a whole lot more common than

1315
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,520
we realize and they were even

1316
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,680
in the book i read about a young boy who

1317
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,960
was sexually assaulted

1318
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,000
and still processing that from when it

1319
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,200
happened when he was a kid

1320
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,040
to when he was an eighth grader and

1321
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,480
there's there's so

1322
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,440
many kids who are going through that and

1323
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,640
it's almost like they

1324
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,440
understood they could talk to me and we

1325
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,079
definitely

1326
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,359
need to revamp sex ed in in the united

1327
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:15,280
states and just be realistic about it

1328
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,920
and safe

1329
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,640
about it and just understand that kids

1330
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,359
who have been

1331
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:22,400
raped might be sexually active and they

1332
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,800
need

1333
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,359
information about how to heal themselves

1334
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,160
emotionally how to have safe sex and and

1335
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:30,640
you know take some of the religious

1336
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,200
dogma

1337
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,200
around that element out of schools and

1338
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:34,880
really get to healing

1339
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,240
and that was i think part of

1340
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,640
what i experienced in order to become a

1341
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,839
better

1342
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,160
healer in this sense with with kids and

1343
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,560
to just understand the human experience

1344
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:50,000
because a lot of teachers had judgment

1345
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,119
and they didn't

1346
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,680
use opportunities to connect with kids

1347
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,359
they'd see bad behavior

1348
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,040
and they'd make a judgment about that

1349
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,280
kid send them to detention where i'd go

1350
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,839
in and say what's going on in your life

1351
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,520
what why are you acting this way and

1352
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,520
often find abuse whether it's physical

1353
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,480
sexual or

1354
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,800
emotional and then start dealing with

1355
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,160
that what even if the

1356
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,800
cps system couldn't help them i could at

1357
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,280
least give them insight and how to

1358
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,520
grow and heal beyond that in their life

1359
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,040
so that was a big

1360
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:21,119
part of teaching in the public school

1361
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,079
system that

1362
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,000
i kind of changed in my way of looking

1363
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,760
at the world

1364
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,640
was it hard to write about it yes it

1365
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,440
believe it or not

1366
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,280
not my own experience i've done enough

1367
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,960
therapy you know to where i'm perfectly

1368
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,920
fine around that

1369
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:36,160
what was hard was putting it in the book

1370
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,200
and my editor was

1371
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,240
making me think about this on

1372
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,319
a larger level and saying okay you're

1373
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,079
the voice for a lot of people who may

1374
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,680
never speak this what are you going to

1375
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:47,200
say about rape culture what are you

1376
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,079
going to say

1377
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,920
about it in south korea and america and

1378
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,160
other places you know are you going to

1379
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,200
make a stand

1380
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,599
are you going to lift up people and be

1381
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,800
their voice and that was

1382
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,960
a heavy responsibility i was like no i'm

1383
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,319
just telling my story

1384
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,880
just i'm writing my story like a memoir

1385
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,800
i'm not trying to be a voice for others

1386
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,079
and then he said well then you're not

1387
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,440
stepping into your power

1388
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:10,319
that's what you need to do so to some

1389
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,880
degree

1390
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,920
i know that i have said

1391
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,760
this for the sake of all the people who

1392
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,280
won't say it

1393
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:19,440
and certainly they write to me and that

1394
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,319
has become

1395
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,119
you know a big part of of i guess the

1396
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,640
communication that i have with a lot of

1397
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,599
people

1398
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,559
well that's uh that's you know that's

1399
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,000
amazing

1400
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:33,119
i've kind of stumbled into this uh

1401
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:37,680
topic of sexual abuse um

1402
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,359
particularly satanic ritual

1403
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,040
abuse which is something a lot of people

1404
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,400
don't want to look at a lot of people

1405
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,079
want to deny

1406
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,680
and if you look at it honestly

1407
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,960
it's completely undeniable i mean it's

1408
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,680
proven over and over again what's worse

1409
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,990
the connections it has to for example

1410
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,480
our some of our religious institutions

1411
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,079
is kind of well known

1412
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:09,040
you know but also some of our uh

1413
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,079
political

1414
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,280
figures that's been explored

1415
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,680
and exposed you know like lately with

1416
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,440
the jeffrey epstein thing but anyone

1417
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,880
who's paying attention

1418
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,359
that stuff goes back well documented

1419
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,920
well documented in the 90s

1420
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,079
with the whole franklin scandal well

1421
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,960
documented in the 70s and 80s

1422
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,160
with the finders cult where the cia was

1423
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:33,839
actually using

1424
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:37,839
sexual blackmail as a tool

1425
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,640
against you know if you're a cia guy

1426
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,359
and you're already in the when it all

1427
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,880
costs things

1428
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:49,280
the idea that you can take some

1429
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,079
eight-year-old

1430
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,119
six-year-old boy or girl

1431
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,400
and you know

1432
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,599
compromise some foreign dignitary or

1433
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,880
some

1434
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:03,040
not foreign you know in this country

1435
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,079
person

1436
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,880
and get them in on tape with that i mean

1437
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,400
that's just the ultimate prize

1438
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,599
it's it's worth more than years of

1439
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,400
surveillance and doing it the hard way

1440
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,480
but it's soul crushing and it's evil in

1441
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,920
a way

1442
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,800
so understanding all that you know and

1443
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,640
talking to

1444
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,559
people like i think i mentioned to you

1445
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,079
in that last brief chat we had i

1446
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,079
had my conversation with annika lucas

1447
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,400
was particularly

1448
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,880
meaningful and i connected because she's

1449
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,000
used yoga

1450
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,800
and meditation and other things to kind

1451
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:38,240
of

1452
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,359
mother sold her into

1453
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,960
sex slavery in a belgian satanic cult

1454
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:48,160
the one that you see

1455
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,920
if you just go in the 90s the ones that

1456
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,920
was connected to the highest levels of

1457
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,359
government throughout europe

1458
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,960
that's the one she doesn't like to name

1459
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,440
names because 25 of the people connected

1460
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,280
with that case were murdered before it

1461
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,400
went to trial

1462
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,319
but they still did convict a couple of

1463
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:07,440
them but it's so

1464
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,760
freaking real but imagine six years old

1465
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:14,720
your mother you know because her mother

1466
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,200
was

1467
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,079
not stable you know and the thing about

1468
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,079
the satanic ritual abuse is that

1469
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,200
it's cracking people open in order to

1470
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,800
spiritually interfere with them so

1471
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,559
i know i'm doing kind of a mind dump

1472
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,319
here but not really

1473
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,960
because one of the things that's lacking

1474
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,599
in

1475
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:36,960
the near-death experience community

1476
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,160
is an ability to come to grips with

1477
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:45,920
that kind of evil that kind of extended

1478
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,359
consciousness evil i think from what

1479
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,079
i've learned

1480
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,280
that you are totally on it in terms of

1481
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,640
your bottom line conclusion which is to

1482
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,480
basically just find the light and keep

1483
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,920
finding the light and keep finding the

1484
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:01,520
light and keep finding the light

1485
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,440
and don't be discouraged but

1486
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,839
i think that i'd like to see more people

1487
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,319
bring that message forth

1488
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:13,440
after acknowledging you know

1489
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:16,839
what folks are going through and not

1490
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,520
reducing

1491
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:21,520
225 000 people

1492
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,000
dying as some environmental project that

1493
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:29,040
god had planned all along so don't worry

1494
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,599
about it

1495
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,000
to me that sounds a lot like you're a

1496
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,599
biological robot in a meaningless

1497
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,280
universe so your life doesn't matter

1498
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,800
anyway

1499
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,720
yeah i'm way more interested in the

1500
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,400
healing aspect and

1501
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,319
since i've started speaking publicly

1502
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,760
about this i have connected

1503
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,839
with people there's one man jackson

1504
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,200
hanks who

1505
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,240
he was he's a lawyer in my town of all

1506
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,920
things in texas and he was

1507
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:54,079
richly abused by satanic cult when he

1508
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,200
was a kid

1509
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:58,160
and he's had to process this and writes

1510
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,280
openly about it

1511
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,920
and it's horrifying i mean the book is

1512
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,480
hard

1513
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,839
to read but he has focused so much of

1514
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,400
his life

1515
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,800
on healing and then helping other abuse

1516
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,079
survivors

1517
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,040
find ways to heal working with shamans

1518
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,559
and past life regressionists and you

1519
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,520
know all kinds

1520
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,760
of people and i certainly have a dump of

1521
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,559
healing

1522
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,559
modalities that i throw in at the end of

1523
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,760
my book as well

1524
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,839
it's a path for everyone and i think

1525
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,960
that

1526
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,599
everyone might find different modalities

1527
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,000
that work for them i'm so glad she found

1528
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:32,000
that modality and there's something

1529
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,040
about looking

1530
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,440
at the energy that is taken from you

1531
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:36,960
when you experience

1532
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,760
child abuse or rape it is an energetic

1533
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,000
assault as well as a physical assault

1534
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,760
and so that has to be healed that was

1535
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,760
something that really came to me and i

1536
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:46,559
saw

1537
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:49,760
other rape survivors as if a cannon had

1538
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,079
been

1539
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,760
shot right through the center of their

1540
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,280
being so it takes

1541
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,280
power literally away from you you don't

1542
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,319
have the power

1543
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,400
to go out and fight in this world and

1544
00:54:03,910 --> 00:53:59,839
get ahead and

1545
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,920
and so that yeah it is

1546
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,760
they say it's not a crime of passion

1547
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,240
sometimes it may be but i think it is a

1548
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,800
way to extract power from another human

1549
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:12,960
being to take something from them

1550
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,400
and so when you reclaim that you get

1551
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,160
more of your energy back but it's a long

1552
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,000
process so

1553
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,839
yeah i like people who focus on the

1554
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,680
healing aspect of it and we do have to

1555
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,680
have conversations about these things

1556
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,800
because they're real

1557
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:29,280
and they exist and with with just

1558
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,240
staying only

1559
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,319
in this topic of love and light and

1560
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,440
that's all then

1561
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,280
you're missing a world of suffering that

1562
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,839
needs your healing

1563
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,799
behind that darkness what what's behind

1564
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:41,200
that

1565
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:51,280
have any insights into

1566
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:54,880
what's going on there in a way that that

1567
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,480
can help yeah we need to create more

1568
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,200
stable respectful human communities

1569
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,359
where we have discussions like this

1570
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,680
so that was one thing that i saw in a

1571
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,040
classroom

1572
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:09,200
i talked openly with students let them

1573
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,240
talk openly

1574
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,160
about what they've been through and how

1575
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:14,000
to be respectful to one another when

1576
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,880
they date

1577
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,559
when they go out into the world when

1578
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,200
they really just away from religion

1579
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:22,160
and away from education just how do we

1580
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,640
create

1581
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:25,359
stable safe respectful human communities

1582
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:25,839
that's

1583
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,680
part of this

1584
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,960
is people are afraid to talk about these

1585
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,799
topics because it makes the money

1586
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,280
and they don't know how to categorize it

1587
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,960
and they don't know

1588
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,280
uh what to do necessarily you know to

1589
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,400
confront their

1590
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:45,280
own um pain their own darkness the

1591
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,319
things they suppress

1592
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,640
so there's a lot of discussion i think

1593
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,640
that needs to happen

1594
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,880
you know one of the things that again

1595
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,480
referencing back to annika lucas is one

1596
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,680
of the things that she said that's

1597
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,079
challenging to to me in a way but she

1598
00:56:02,950 --> 00:55:59,760
said

1599
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,960
i mean that her i don't know what term

1600
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,240
to put on this

1601
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:06,079
because when you say abuser and stuff

1602
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,359
like that

1603
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,760
you're just really softening it in order

1604
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,520
to make people not

1605
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,920
i don't know flip out or stuff she was

1606
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,079
raped thousands of times

1607
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,440
as a kid you know tiny kid six years old

1608
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,520
and she said she had to learn to look

1609
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,599
into the eyes

1610
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,720
of the perpetrators and in that this

1611
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,400
relates to something you're saying

1612
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:31,520
she saw the fear she saw the little

1613
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:35,920
kid that had been traumatized and had

1614
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:38,559
given over to

1615
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:42,960
a darkness you know and that that was

1616
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,040
what helped her kind of understand it

1617
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,200
and get through it and i think it's

1618
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,319
interesting that you said that um

1619
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:54,720
which is again a more complex nuanced

1620
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,599
thing that

1621
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,200
you know these aren't crimes of passion

1622
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,559
and then you simply sometimes they are

1623
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,559
and i think you're right i mean

1624
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,559
everything we all the experts tell us

1625
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:04,400
these are primarily

1626
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,000
crimes of domination control

1627
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,040
of evil of darkness of

1628
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:13,520
blockages of light that needs to be

1629
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,160
released

1630
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,440
in these unproductive ways

1631
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,880
so again i guess i'd

1632
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,559
you know ask i don't want to belabor

1633
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,319
this too much but do you have any

1634
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,559
thoughts about what's going on in that

1635
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,720
in those darker realms and in particular

1636
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:29,920
how you link that because i think you

1637
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,480
link that quite beautifully to

1638
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,280
you don't have to dwell on that you can

1639
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,280
transmute it

1640
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:40,880
transform it into lightness so

1641
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:44,240
anything there wow that is quite a bit

1642
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,280
to get into

1643
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:48,000
how do you link that back what are some

1644
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,520
of your thoughts about linking that back

1645
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,040
to

1646
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,960
what you were saying earlier and your

1647
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:55,200
your spiritually transformative

1648
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,839
experience

1649
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,200
i mean i think some of the links there

1650
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:59,440
are are quite obvious and you're

1651
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,880
they're well made but deeper than that

1652
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:05,280
i think there's go ahead deeper than

1653
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,319
that is

1654
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,240
letting go of fear even when you've been

1655
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,480
through trauma and reconnecting to how

1656
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,000
quickly can i heal

1657
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,000
this is a time period of healing quicker

1658
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,920
so we've seen some people who are bitter

1659
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:17,119
about the child abuse they've been

1660
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,640
through until they're 80 or 90 and they

1661
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,839
die just bitter

1662
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,880
at you know a family member no this is

1663
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:24,400
the time period where we can reclaim

1664
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,280
that energy

1665
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,359
there's so much that we know about

1666
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,720
energy work about

1667
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,799
um trauma release and there's so many

1668
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,000
people who are making

1669
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,319
groundbreaking strides in that area that

1670
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,520
we need to

1671
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,119
remind people that you can heal

1672
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,880
completely you can take all your power

1673
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,319
back you can be

1674
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,839
this fully functioning human being in

1675
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,760
this world even after experiencing

1676
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,760
trauma but you'll be more compassionate

1677
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,240
to others who have experienced this so

1678
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,000
complete healing is the direction i'd

1679
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:54,160
like to see people moving toward and

1680
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,280
walking toward

1681
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,720
and then changing you know because even

1682
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,240
even the horrible things in life like

1683
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:02,799
human trafficking although it exists

1684
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,480
and it's horrific now i do believe

1685
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:09,040
percentage-wise less people are enslaved

1686
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:10,079
than ever before

1687
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,599
we just have more people on the earth so

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the numbers are bigger so

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i like to think that we're moving in a

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trajectory of making society

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00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,000
better over time that we're evolving i'd

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00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:21,599
like to believe that i'd like to hope

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00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,480
that but that

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00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,079
means that we have to get involved that

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00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,079
means that you know you can't just go

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00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,559
oh i'm healed it means you have to

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00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:30,319
support people who are working

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00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,720
in in larger arenas

1699
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,799
that's awesome tricia so tell us more

1700
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,000
about um

1701
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:40,640
some of the work that you're doing uh

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00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,359
the book

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00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:44,000
is is really pretty phenomenal i i can't

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00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,440
say that i've read the whole thing

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00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,799
because we kind of came to it kind of

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00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,520
late

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00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:50,160
but some stellar recommendations and it

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00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:50,960
looks like

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00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,480
very very good fun reading but

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00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:56,480
you know powerful reading but i want to

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01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:57,520
hear more about the

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01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,280
nde summit and your youtube channel

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01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,720
and just some of the work that you're

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01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,640
doing with

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01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:07,280
with people in terms of coaching helping

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01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,760
and

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01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,760
all of that kind of stuff so tell us

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01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,760
more what's going on in

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01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,960
in your world yeah i'm having a ton of

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01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,200
fun i have a spiritual community

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01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,559
that meets every other wednesday on zoom

1722
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,440
and i'm giving medium readings kind of

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01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,040
spontaneous readings because

1724
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,839
i want people to have their own

1725
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,720
intuition

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01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,680
verified and and upgraded in a sense and

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01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:33,119
i think when we just talk about these

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01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,160
moments and

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01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,400
and other people understand that they

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01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,000
have the same ability then their

1731
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,599
intuition is strengthened

1732
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,920
so i love connecting with people and

1733
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,680
that's a ton of fun

1734
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,960
i also for three years have had

1735
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,280
the online near-death experience summit

1736
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,040
where i have speakers come and talk

1737
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,599
this past year it was free and i just

1738
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,200
streamed it on youtube

1739
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,760
on for two days so people thousands of

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01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:59,760
people i think 5 000 people viewed the

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01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,640
first day

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01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,119
and 4 000 people viewed the second day

1743
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,720
which is just amazing

1744
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:07,040
and those videos are available for

1745
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,839
purchase

1746
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:10,559
on on my website i have links for that

1747
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:11,200
but

1748
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,599
the stories of near-death experiencers i

1749
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,319
didn't think

1750
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,839
that i thought it would just be

1751
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,440
interesting and i'm an experiencer and

1752
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,040
i'll just talk with them but on an

1753
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,520
energetic level i've lived through some

1754
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,799
of their experiences

1755
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,359
and it seeped into my own experience and

1756
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,559
i felt

1757
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,480
this i guess because i just connect on

1758
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,559
that energy level this deepening

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01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,960
of an understanding of the other side by

1760
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,559
hearing these stories and i know people

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01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,240
who hear these stories

1762
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,079
do get some of that energy or do get

1763
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:41,760
that hope and that faith as you talked

1764
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,400
about so

1765
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,960
i think it's important to keep talking

1766
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,640
with near-death experiencers and i i

1767
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:48,079
think i'm someone who kind of launches

1768
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,960
new voices

1769
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,119
i certainly have interviewed some of the

1770
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,280
famous ones and the well-documented

1771
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:54,960
near-death experiencers but i love to

1772
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,839
find just ordinary people who

1773
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,280
want to tell their experience for the

1774
01:02:01,430 --> 01:02:00,880
first time and support them on that

1775
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:01,440
journey

1776
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,960
and remind them of how this may touch

1777
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:06,000
someone's life and

1778
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,280
and that's a lot of fun too is

1779
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,200
supporting new people young people i'd

1780
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,039
like to continue to interview

1781
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:12,720
young people since i work with college

1782
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,280
students and and really give them

1783
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,200
that voice and that awareness that they

1784
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:19,039
may be walking through difficult things

1785
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,079
in life but they'll always

1786
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,480
have their experience as this guiding

1787
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,440
force

1788
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:25,920
of faster healing faster growth and

1789
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,119
transformation here on the planet

1790
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:31,440
well that's awesome i really appreciate

1791
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,960
you talking with us today on skeptico in

1792
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,440
best of luck with this very important

1793
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,680
work that you're doing

1794
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,839
well thank you very much and i have

1795
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,680
loved the conversation you took me to

1796
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,640
places i haven't

1797
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,480
been in other interviews so thank you

1798
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,480
for that it's cool

1799
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,160
thanks again to trisha barker for

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01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,920
joining me today on skeptico

1801
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,599
the one question i guess i tear from

1802
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:55,200
this interview has to do

1803
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:58,480
with what we take and what we leave

1804
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,760
behind you know it was really quite a

1805
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:03,520
profound statement

1806
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:07,200
i think that trisha made about

1807
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,720
the limits of materialism when it comes

1808
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,680
to

1809
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,559
this extended consciousness realm that

1810
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,240
we transcend into

1811
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:18,000
after we die if you believe all that

1812
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,359
stuff

1813
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,119
but she had quite a statement to make

1814
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:22,880
that i think

1815
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,599
kind of resonates with all of us we kind

1816
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,880
of know it's true

1817
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,880
but we don't want to think about it it's

1818
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,319
another spin on the

1819
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:33,200
you can't take it with you and her spin

1820
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,319
is

1821
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,799
well the one thing you can take with you

1822
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,160
is love

1823
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:40,720
whoa that's a tough one let me know your

1824
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,200
thoughts

1825
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,119
kind of a question non-question but you

1826
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,960
get the idea let me know your thoughts

1827
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:46,480
love to hear from you

1828
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,640
as always stay with me more to come in